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Chapter 63 (Bulletin Board Chapter)

[For and Against] Toru-Tia Thread 13 [Thank You Kujo Heiress?]

504 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

What the hell was that anyway

What did you make us watch

505 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Announces "I have something to discuss" on social media then completely ignores viewer opinions lmao

506 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

That said, there were a lot of questionable comments too

Now that I think about it, there was no way Toru-bro was gonna nod along with that kind of mob mentality

He probably genuinely hates that kind of thing

507 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Huh?

You guys can actually defend that trash?

He asked for our opinions and then pulls that attitude — I feel insulted

508 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Then go tell him to his face, why don't you?

Go to S City in X Prefecture, say on social media you've got a problem with Toru-bro and want to meet him — feels like he'd actually see you

509 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

You an idiot?

If I did that and Toru ignored me, would you take responsibility?

I don't have time for that kind of pointless crap

510 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Self-own lmao

If Toru-bro followed the viewers' precious advice and ended up at a disadvantage, would the viewers take responsibility? I'd bet my life 509 absolutely wouldn't

511 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Well in the end, we're just irresponsible viewers

512 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Then don't stream if you're gonna be like this, it's disgusting

Why do I have to listen to the false accuser bitch's life story

And now he's gonna let that bitch work for him?

Get the fuck out of here

I'm so disappointed

513 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

512 Well then, goodbye~

Don't be a clingy anti, will you?

We have the freedom to watch and the freedom to not watch

514 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Hate to interrupt the heated discussion, but can I go back to the original question?

Why did Toru-bro do that stream?

Wait, he did talk about it during the stream

It seems he just went along with his neighbor the cat beast-person's suggestion with a "whatever, it's fine" attitude

And according to the cat mom, "Toru's better off with viewers saying all kinds of stuff" — but what do you think the cat mom's intention was?

515 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I mean, they were eating curry at first

It was surprisingly — or I guess, he was wiping the cat loli's mouth, pretty attentive guy

516 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I don't think Toru-bro needs us specifically

I think he just streams because he feels like it

That might be a bit close to how the Kujo heiress thinks

There's a certain value in just streaming dungeon content

If you set aside the hassle, bro probably doesn't have a reason not to do it

517 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

It's less about public service and more about personal grievance, I think

From bro's perspective, getting attention and sharing dungeon streams might provide useful info to explorers

In other words, reducing the chance of 'Dungeon Rampages'

518 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

That's probably more effective than being a D-rank dungeon cleaner

519 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

But the cat mom... what did Toru-bro gain from that stream?

Feels like he just got more antis

520 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

But do the viewers who turned into antis actually have a leg to stand on? No

He did a weird stream, but basically he's just saying the woman who falsely accused him seems to be reflecting, so he's giving her a chance

I get the feeling of "you shouldn't give the false accuser bitch a chance" but there's no logical basis for claiming that's wrong

The actual victim is Toru-bro, and bro himself says he "doesn't care" about the harm

Not forgiving her — that looked like kindness to me, honestly

521 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

And the viewers' claim that "there must be other capable and trustworthy people" was shot down too. From bro's perspective, it becomes "bring them in front of me"

If he seriously tried to find someone, like the ojou said, people with agendas would swarm him, and considering the effort of filtering them out — if the woman who came to bow her head offered to help, he might just go "alright, I'll ask you then"

I personally would never hire the woman who falsely accused me though

522 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

That's just how Toru-bro is

He's the guy who said "Looks like this meeting's going nowhere, so I'm leaving" at that meeting

Honestly, if it were me, I couldn't actually walk out in that situation

523 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

That feels nostalgic already

Wonder what happened to Assemblyman Sasamori

524 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I think I might get it

525 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Get what?

526 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

The sifting

We got sifted by the cat mom

527 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Do you it mean?

What does that mean?

528 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Thanks for including the translation

So basically, Toru-bro is Toru-bro, right?

Sooner or later, something like this was gonna happen

He does things that normal people wouldn't, with a straight face

Maybe he would've done something even more nonsensical than this

This whole "I'm not forgiving Kawai. I wouldn't want to be casually forgiven either" thing — without him saying it out loud, it's incomprehensible

"Why would you hire someone you haven't forgiven?" stuff

Toru-bro doesn't explain that kind of thing every time

529 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Well, that's true

Plus, to some extent he just goes with the flow

He probably streamed with a "well, Tia-tan seems into it, so whatever" attitude. He probably wasn't thinking about "providing useful info to explorers by streaming dungeon content." He might not have been thinking at all — "just felt like it" would be completely in character

530 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Helped Anthem

Walked out on the dinosaurs at the meeting

Single-handedly suppressed a 'Dungeon Rampage' (okay, with Tia-tan)

Became friends with Kujo Reiko

Hired the false accuser woman and went along with her atonement

The things he does are like some justice man, but the guy himself isn't a justice man at all

531 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

So the cat beast-person neighbor knows that Toru-bro is that kind of guy

That's why she sifted out the "only the correct answer will be tolerated" types who'd put bro on a pedestal with arbitrary expectations... if you think about it, she really was being maternal

532 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Irresponsible viewers are harsh on streamers' mistakes

In that sense, Toru-bro might not see us as a lump category of 'viewers'

He probably lives in a mindset where if you can't say it to someone's face, you shouldn't say it through a screen either

533 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Toru-bro saying "I'm trash too" might be about that

He sees viewers not from above but from beside

We viewers are used to throwing words from below, claiming they won't reach anyway — but from bro's perspective, he's probably thinking "why are these guys saying such ridiculous things"... maybe

534 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

When people said "there are people other than the false accuser," he replied "then bring that trustworthy capable person in front of me" — that's exactly it

Kawai came in front of him, bowed her head, and asked to be allowed to help

Viewers said "there must be someone else better"

Toru-bro didn't have anyone in mind, and he wasn't about to go looking

She's not a favorable person but he doesn't hate her either, so he's like "alright, try it out." If she fails, he can just fire her, sort of thing?

535 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

So in the end, we were the ones overreacting

536 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Like the ojou said, there might have been people with 'agendas' leading the comments like astroturfers

Worst case, they might have been trying to tank bro's public image with a "clueless explorer running wild" narrative

Though I wonder who benefits from that

537 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Off the top of my head, Kujo zaibatsu rivals?

Or people (including explorers) jealous of Toru-bro

Could be Anthem's unicorns coming to trash bro's reputation while they had the chance

538 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

So all that complicated scheming is what got 'sifted'

"See? This is what Toru's like."

"If you don't like it, leave."

"You guys who stayed — keep saying stuff to Toru."

Something like that?

But then why tell the sifted viewers to look after Toru-bro... I wonder why?

Frankly, Toru-bro doesn't even need to stream

539 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Because bro is bro?

I kinda get what the cat mom feels

540 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I don't get anything

Sifting viewers does nothing but create followers

And Toru-bro, who should be the worshipped cult leader, won't stay 'above' us

Plus, he ignored the shitty comments during the stream but never said "stop it"

He's not the type to unite people against a common enemy

541 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Maybe the cat mom thought Toru-bro needs outside opinions

Actually, I thought that, then I figured maybe the cat mom did too

542 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Do you it mean?

543 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Saves me the trouble of copy-pasting lol

So listen — Toru-bro is a guy who can spend three years as a cleaner out of pure self-satisfaction

Dropped out of high school, completely alone, looked down on by the receptionist false accuser bitch, probably no real friends, no hobbies to throw himself into — and he can pour his life into something almost futile without forgiving himself

If left alone, he might try to take on everything within reach

From the way he talks, even after suppressing a 'Dungeon Rampage' with zero casualties, he still doesn't seem ready to forgive himself

It's weird to say, but if third parties don't say stuff to him, he'll probably consume himself as a resource and die before you know it

When he was a cleaner, he could judge that consuming himself wouldn't yield big returns, so he kept at it — but now, there might be enormous returns to be had

544 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

...Give me a break

He's only twenty, right? Legally adult, sure, but hasn't even graduated college

545 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

The fact that he lets himself be carried along to some extent is a saving grace, maybe

Once he crosses a line, he probably won't back down — but up to that point, he seems like he'll nod and say "sure, whatever"

Our words might reach him to some extent too

Or so I'd like to think

I think that's why the cat mom didn't try to cut us viewers off from Toru-bro — she wanted to leave a connection with us

546 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I posted something like 'I want to see how this plays out' in a previous thread

I didn't think I'd end up feeling that way again the same day...

I want to see how Toru-bro's story goes

547 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

But seriously, we should probably stop letting our displaced maternal and paternal feelings run wild

Better not say anything too irresponsible to that guy

Of course, some people in this thread were using strong words with good intentions

548 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Good intentions don't always lead to good results

Mostly, good results don't come to people who get angry and say "but I'm right!"

Even when they actually are right

549 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

In Toru-bro's case, he doesn't even seem to care about right and wrong

His attitude toward all sorts of things is "I don't care" more than you'd think

550 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I feel like...

If Kawai Sakiho had been a proper receptionist, said she was moved by Toru-bro's achievements, and offered to help... Toru-bro probably would've refused

551 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Ah... yeah, that might be right

Actually, he definitely would've refused

I don't know why, but I'm sure of it

552 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

In the end, the big thing was that Kawai witnessed the 'Dungeon Rampage' first-hand and said she couldn't forgive herself and didn't want forgiveness

Toru-bro also said he "wouldn't want to be casually forgiven"

553 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

But back then, bro was just a normal person, not even an explorer

Forgiving or not forgiving... it can't be helped

Would bro not forgive someone in a similar situation?

Would he tell someone who ran because they had no choice that they were "wrong"?

554 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

"It's not about forgiving or not forgiving"

That's just between him and himself, and he's rejecting third-party opinions

555 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

"Wouldn't want to be casually forgiven," huh

556 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

What a sentimental masochist

Working as a D-rank dungeon cleaner was also atonement and self-satisfying social contribution

How many years would a cleaner need to achieve the same 'Dungeon Rampage' suppression effect as an A-rank explorer taking down a single A-rank monster?

557 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Hmm (picks nose)

Then, o brilliant 556, please enlighten us stupid nose-picking thread-dwellers: what would have been the 'correct' course of action for Toru-bro?

558 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

What a waste of time

Figure it out yourself

559 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

And there it is — the invincible argument

This is exactly the kind of person Sister Shenna sifted out

Too bad! Nobody cares about your 'correct answer'!

560 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I mean, we're still just irresponsible viewers

561 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Saying irresponsible things and irresponsibly attacking people are different things

Besides, Toru-bro doesn't seem interested in the 'rightness' these guys keep pushing

562 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Like the ojou said, "it makes me uncomfortable so stop" isn't a card you can play against other people unless it violates public welfare

You can complain but you can't force it, and you can't take responsibility

563 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

So if Toru-bro went ahead and did something 'wrong' by society's standards, what would he gain? He lost a not-insignificant number of viewers over this

564 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

And yet his subscriber count went up

565 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

What bro gains probably hasn't changed since his cleaner days

Self-satisfaction

Probably nothing more and nothing less

In this case, the question is how much Toru-bro's conscience aligns with common sense

566 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I'm gonna keep watching, and I'll keep commenting

'Cause I'm trash too. I'm aware of it.

It's the ones without self-awareness who fly off the handle, right?

Nobody's gonna tell us what the 'right answer' is anyway

And to Toru-bro, he himself is also trash

He's saying we're all the same — me, you, everyone

As an irresponsible viewer, I'm gonna keep commenting irresponsibly

567 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

That's disgusting!

Are you a cultist?

568 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Oh, an unaware trash?

You went out of your way to call someone else "disgusting" — you didn't have to comment that, you know? Couldn't hold it in before hitting send, could you~?

569 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

That's another invincible argument

570 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Anyway, Toru-bro said he'd stream again, and the people who gave up on him after this are now categorizing themselves as masochistic trash who'd go out of their way to watch a trash stream and feel offended — so in terms of results, it's settled into "slightly bad," isn't it?

Maybe it's good it happened before he got even more attention

These two are definitely gonna accomplish some insane feat, but their personalities are seriously warped, or rather, they have zero sense of trying not to be disliked

571 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

He had an attitude of "hate me if you want, I don't care"

It could have blown up at a much worse time

Thinking about it that way, laying the groundwork of "people who won't accept anything but their own 'correct answer' are idiots for coming to watch Toru-bro just to get mad" isn't bad

I mean, Toru-bro himself isn't making any claims to the public

Cat mom — I hesitate to call it a great play, but maybe a nice save?

572 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Anyway, I really want some curry now

After the stream, the ojou posted on her social media that the curry was delicious

I want some of mom's curry

Maybe I'll go home for the next holiday

573 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

I wanted to see more of the cat loli

574 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

This time there wasn't enough Tia-tan content

575 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Speaking of which, that Kawai bastard got to experience the ojou's oppai pressure

Unforgivable

I can't just casually say 'forgive'

576 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Lmao

577 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Conclusion

Everyone's different and everyone's trash

578 Dungeon-bound Anonymous

Looking forward to the next stream

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It's Mo (greetings).

The next chapter is the Chapter 2 epilogue. It's short, so I've scheduled it to be posted six hours after this one.