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Bulletin Board 6: Around Chapter 32
Thread: Feel free to discuss John Doe's streams and archives freely
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This is a thread where you can freely discuss John Doe's channel, streams, and archives that were suddenly made public.
Threads where you can delve deeper into each topic are over here
【URL】【Breaking News】Beyond the dungeon is a complete fantasy world【World Tree Discovered】
【URL】【Sad News】The world beyond the dungeon is too fast for humanity, causing a stir【Dragons exist】
Feel free to chat casually here
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Good job making the thread
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Good job making the thread Man, it was all just shocking images one after another n
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The World Tree, was it? That giant tree, it's properly fantasy, I'd like to go there
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It felt like you could explore quite freely inside
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From what I could see from the outside, there seemed to be wide spaces facing outward too, so you could probably make something like a village inside
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At the point where there are so many insect monsters, it's tough for me
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Insect-type monsters, huh. There are some in the dungeon too, but people who can't handle them really can't handle them
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There's no way that gross insect becoming gigantic is acceptable, right!?
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I'm actually on the side that became okay with it when they got bigger, though
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>>18 Does that really happen?
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Animal-type monsters were mostly cute or cool, though
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>>19 Once they got bigger, I came to see them as monsters rather than insects
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Among the big-type monsters, weren't there ones with fur but also scales?
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The huge weasel-like thing we encountered first? Or something like that.
What was that, I wonder
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The biology community is extremely excited, you know
Like, is it a mammal or a reptile!
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A platypus, maybe
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>>34 It suddenly became lame, lol
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But really, I don't get how monsters are treated ethnologically, do I?
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With dungeon monsters, except for the parts you secure, they revert to magical energy, so
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The fact that only usable parts drop is seriously just like a game
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>>42 If you wanted to, you could bring back unusable parts too
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Well, in reality, no one does that since it doesn't make money, though
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But isn't research on monsters being done, actually?
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Isn't it? I don't know the details, though
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>>49 >>52 It is.
They research after asking explorers to bring back the entire monster body.
But basically, the size is completely different, but they're apparently almost the same as surface creatures
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There's no organ for storing magical energy, like?
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I might be reading too many manga, but it seems like something where people get monster parts transplanted will come up soon
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Basically, that kind of thing is strictly prohibited by law.
Because we have no idea what might happen
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In the early days of exploration, laws were properly enacted that even prohibited using potions.
It is, after all, a suspicious medicine of unknown origin.
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>>57 Rather than that, human experimentation itself is illegal
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>>56 Apparently, monsters are divided into those that seem to have such organs and those that don't
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>>64 >>56 To supplement that, monsters that use magic frequently seem to have organs—or rather, organs that govern it.
But monsters that don't really use magic much don't have these.
And from here it's still just a hypothesis, but the organs related to monsters' magical energy might serve the role of a wand for humans.
And the magical energy itself, since humans don't have organs to store it but can use magic, might be something that accumulates in cells or blood,
that's the hypothesis there is.
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Whoa-
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Cells and blood, huh. That might indeed be possible, I suppose
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Indeed, humans don't have organs for storing magical energy, but they can use magic.
Magical energy itself feels like it accumulates in the human body, doesn't it
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We're getting off topic, but I want to get back, don't you actually want to try making a village or something at the World Tree?
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Once magical energy leaves the labyrinth, it mostly dissipates, so there's no way to study it
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>>70 I'd normally like to make one, so what of it?
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That survival life in nature that John Doe was talking about, I seriously yearn for it
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To think the time would come when the Monster Hunter world becomes real
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Really, in terms of lifestyle, it seems close to Monster Hunter. Though there is magic
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Rather than the World Tree and all, I'm more interested in that insane technique of magical energy control?
Isn't there anyone who finds this interesting?
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Normally I'm interested?
But even if I'm interested, there's nothing I can do unless I try it myself
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Actually, even though so many threads have been made, it's already being researched
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But this is a hopeful story, or rather, doesn't it finally feel like it's becoming properly fantasy-like?
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>>87 The dungeon was fantasy from the start, regularly
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No, that's true, but I'm just a swordsman with the 【Swordsman】 skill, so when it comes to fighting monsters, I just end up using my sword to cut them
It's not like what I do is very fantasy-like, I guess
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In other words, even non-magic classes can now do things with magic and magical energy, right?
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That's it!
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In that sense, it's true, the reason why frontline classes like swordsmen had magical energy was a mystery
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I knew they apparently always had magical energy, but I didn't know how to use it
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I tried to see if I could move it with magical energy alone, and I was able to make it move, but that way of using it was mind-blowing.
And this is really strong. Progress seems like it'll advance all at once
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Magic classes have no benefit from magical energy control right now
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>>102 Seriously? You could do it? Aren't there any tricks or anything?
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>>103 Even for magic classes, there's the benefit of being able to move as much as frontline classes.
Though they can't use magic when their magical energy runs out
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Tricks, huh. As John Doe said too, I think it's about imagery. I cross my legs in meditation, put my palms face up and stack them, and when I imagine a warm, gooey lump on top, I became able to do it.
But I only became able to move it after listening to John Doe's talk this time
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I feel like I can move it a little with the image of water! I imagine that 70% of the body is water thing, and I imagine that about 70% of magical energy is seeping out of my body or concentrating at my hands and feet.
But because of that, when I'm not imagining it or my imagination is weak, the magical energy gathers in my lower body
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>>114 That made me laugh a little ww
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John Doe said too that what you can do depends on the image.
Like whether you use it as energy, as a spring, or as a gear.
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It really depends on each person's imagination, I guess
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I'm trying to imagine it, but I can't really get it to move
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>>123 If you know an enchanter, it might be easier to understand if you get them to enchant you.
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Really? I'm an enchanter, but I don't understand it myself
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That's from the perspective of the one being enchanted. When you get enchanted, you feel like you're wrapped in something warm or whatever.
From that sensation, you can feel the magical energy. Enchanter-san, have you tried enchanting yourself?
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Is there even such a thing as a dedicated enchanter?
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I imagined magical energy flowing through my blood, and I could do it. So this is magical energy, it's truly amazing
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Actually, I want to ask someone who can do magical energy control, what does it feel like?
How much stronger do you think you'll get than before?
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I don't know, but I'm definitely putting out more power than before. I can move faster and feel lighter
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I was a mid-layer explorer, but I can manage fairly well even in the lower layers, or rather, it might be breezy
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That's strong
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Rather, this will probably become an essential skill from now on
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I think it probably will. I mean, even those at the front lines who are called non-human or whatever, when you actually see them fight, you think "ah, they're still human after all." They don't have that "he's stopped being human" feeling like John Doe
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Actually, the dungeon still has quite a ways to go
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Even though physical abilities increase as your level rises, a time will come when that alone won't be enough, is that it?
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Rather, it's like you'll be able to challenge it at even lower levels, I guess?
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More importantly! I! I'm interested in that cute purple-haired older woman!
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When no one else was trying to touch her, you just so boldly...
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Well, actually, that person was cute.
But what wasn't shown in the video, that huge dragon that made John Doe run is seriously scary
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John Doe running is what?
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But John Doe himself said that monsters stronger than him normally exist, didn't he?
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He did. That kind of talk. Which means beyond the dungeon is a world of asura full of strong ones, I guess
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In that underwater battle we saw on the way to the World Tree too, unbelievably strong monsters were fighting each other normally
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Rather than that, that world beyond, he was talking about children of man or children of wind, but does that mean humans exist in the world beyond the dungeon?
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I wouldn't want to get close to a place where such scary monsters are fighting each other
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>>165 He said the children of man have been gone for a long time, so have humans gone extinct?
But he also talked about a vessel for the children of wind, so demi-human-like races seem to still be alive, don't they?
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Either way, if there are intelligent beings, things will get quite troublesome
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>>168 Why?
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Because we're treating the dungeon and the world beyond that John Doe revealed like a frontier.
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But it's a question of how we should respond if there are indigenous people there.
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And this time, we can't do things like how the British persecuted Native Americans or how Pizarro did whatever he wanted in South America.
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>>177 Why? Being able to get out of the dungeon means you've become as strong as John Doe, right? Then wouldn't it be easy?
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Think about the era. Things like human rights awareness are different between then and now.
Even if it were possible, you can't do that now
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Still, if we could recover resources from the world beyond the dungeon that are said to be depleted on Earth in the next 100 years, that would be exciting
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As for electricity, weren't they trying to manage with magic stones recently?
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They are, but in the end, the population is too large, so the magic stones that explorers can bring back aren't enough...
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In the end, it would be good if the talks go well.
For now, since that person didn't seem to suddenly become hostile when we observed them
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I wonder why the children of man perished.
Well, they might not be extinct, though
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He said they've been gone for a long time, so I think it's right that they've gone extinct
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If they're fantasy-like demi-humans, like beastmen, elves, or dwarves?
They probably don't have as large a population as humans, so couldn't they find a way to coexist?
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It would be nice if it went that smoothly, though
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Ah, John Doe probably knows more, but I wish he'd just spill all the information
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In his last stream too, he ended it in a meaningful way without clearly stating "people exist"
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Well, with that way of saying it, it's undeniable that humans exist or existed
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Anyway, we'll keep paying attention to John Doe's streams from now on
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Changing the subject, but how did John Doe get to the deep layers, I wonder
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Huh?
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>>211 What do you mean?
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Didn't he just normally defeat monsters?
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No, no matter how you think about it, it would take a tremendous amount of time, right?
John Doe was talking about making a base in the dungeon or something, so I thought maybe there are safe zones or something
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Wait, that's a big possibility
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>>218 You're rushing too much and binding words too much. But I get what you're trying to say
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In other words, there might be safe zones inside the dungeon, is that it?
And John Doe knows about them, so he talked about building a base, is that it?
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>>222 Yeah, yeah. If that's the case, I want the advance party to work hard, and I think we latecomers need to think about or prepare something too
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That might be the most likely possibility right now.
Leaving aside practicing magical energy control for the future
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Indeed, rather than talking about the world beyond the dungeon now, talking about that might be more meaningful
232: It's me here 【The following will be moved to the dungeon base consultation thread~】
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I thought "can you just change it on your own?" but then saw it was you, huh
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Really, you're the one who brought it up yourself ww
238: It's me here Since the topic came up, I thought that might be good too
Well then, let's think about what's needed to build a base inside the labyrinth!
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As a prerequisite, safe zones, right? I think having to defend against monsters 24/7 or whatever makes it impossible as a base
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If it were once a day or something fixed, that's one thing, but irregular attacks would be tough
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Even so, if people gathered, they could probably take turns on watch and defeat monsters when they come, though
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If we need to defend the base, we'd have to make walls out of wood or concrete, right?
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First of all, defense-related equipment is necessary.
But defense-related in the dungeon—since we're explorers, isn't it meaningless to think about it?
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The only thing I can think of is taking turns every few hours to constantly keep guard without fail
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Then let's think about what's needed in a base, what we want from it, what's needed for it to function as a base?
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First of all, a kitchen, or rather a storage room for food supplies, maybe?
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First, what we want from a dungeon base is the ability to resupply without returning to the surface, right?
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In that case, potions and food, and what other consumables are there?
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I also want to repair or replenish things like clothes and equipment, and maintain weapons too
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Let me summarize a bit
What do we want from a dungeon base?
・A place where you can resupply without going to the surface
・A place where you can sleep peacefully without going to the surface (that's necessary, right)
What we want to resupply or need in the dungeon
・Food
・Water
・Consumables like potions
・Clothes
・Equipment maintenance
・Weapon maintenance
Something like that?
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......When it gets to this point, isn't this not a base but rather a village or a town?
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It's fine as a supply base for everything we want to resupply, though
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What we're doing is already like a small village or town
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When it gets to this point, we'll need order too, though not a police station or anything
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How about setting up multiple cameras to monitor by streaming?
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There's no way to watch cameras from inside the labyrinth, is there?
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In the end, when people gather, it will probably become a settlement or village.
I can't see a future where it works well as a pure supply base
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A supply base-like thing would probably be impossible unless it's a single group like the military.
That's not something explorers can do, right?
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In that case, would it be like using money inside the dungeon to buy and sell items?
Food, water, equipment, etc.
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In the end, business using money as a medium is the healthiest
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But if prices get jacked up, that would be unbearable, wouldn't it?
Just because it's a dungeon base, there'd definitely be guys who jack up prices
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That's business, so there'll be competition among sellers too, and prices will go down, right?
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Besides, if it comes to that, the recently cleaned-up guild or association would probably do something to make agreements
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A village inside the dungeon, huh. And exploration centered around that...
That has a dream-like quality to it, nice
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Indeed, for some reason it's exciting, or has a dream-like quality
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This is that frontier spirit thing
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I'm starting to understand a little what John Doe was talking about
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Well, this is all after exploration progresses and we learn more about the lower layers!
Japan is behind America!
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America is just too fast.
Just a few days after John Doe appeared, they conquered the deep layers—actually, they could have conquered them before but were probably stagnating because it would be over if they did
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>>305 That certainly seems likely
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>>302 If that's the case, countries like Russia and China that were trying hard to catch up would look stupid, wouldn't they?
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America pays the most money, after all. And it's easy to gather people from other countries
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Yoshida-san, who is probably the strongest Japanese person, is also active in America
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He's Yoshida now
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Kind of lol
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Advance exploration, and build a base.
We have to think about both, and whatnot
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Even for exploring the deep layers, it takes days just to conquer the inner areas
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Apparently they're camping overnight in the dungeon.
They split into a team that advances exploration and a team that guards the camp, and they're conquering it with a large group of people
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It seems that even a single clan has difficulty conquering even the deep layers
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It feels like multiple clans cooperate, gather capable people, and finally manage it, I guess
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Speaking of deep layer conquest, Amemiya Kanata and Hachijoji Akane, who are involved with John Doe, seem to be getting stronger and stronger lately
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I wonder if they got tips from John Doe
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John Doe doesn't seem like the type to do that, so aren't they just working hard to pay back the 1 billion?
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That's true They had that 1 billion debt, huh
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But if we're going to advance deep layer exploration, it's desirable to have even one more capable explorer, so I hope the Dansta members grow strong enough to participate too
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Well then, let's work hard at exploring too, us
The awful part about being an explorer is that if you don't get stronger even a little, you might not be able to eat
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Good luck- (sounds like a non-explorer)
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Why don't you become an explorer too
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My parents would stop me, so it's impossible until I become a college student
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I, I see. Good luck
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Actually, when the front line advances, the prices of items in the rear areas go down by that much.
Even now, I can make a living in the later upper layers, but gradually, that area where you can make a living will probably advance to the middle layers, lower layers
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Don't tell me such a depressing prediction
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But I refuse
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If the number of explorers doesn't increase, dungeon exploration won't advance.
But if exploration advances, it becomes harder for latecomers to enter.
It's a troublesome problem, isn't it?
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The guild will probably think of something about that.
They might even provide subsidies, for instance
The following continues with idle chat straying from John Doe's story
Breaking News】The world beyond the dungeon is too fast for humanity, causing a stir【Dragons exist】
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The fact that not just dragons but even wyverns haven't been confirmed in Japan yet
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What's the difference between those categories?
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Dragons seem stronger
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Are they the strongest boss confirmed so far?
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>>288 I get it
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They say behemoth or whatever, but it's just a dinosaur, with no dragon-like feel at all
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>>289 The strongest is probably the Orc King
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Orc King <<<<<< Dragon I wonder how much difference exists there
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>>295 For starters, considering John Doe's strength, even if 100 Orc Kings gathered, they probably couldn't beat a dragon
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And the one that made John Doe run was a dragon. Its unbelievable strength is certain
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Are we seriously going to fight something like that in the future?
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John Doe won't show us the dungeon, but if you go to the lower layers of the dungeon, won't one or two dragons appear?
Surely a monster that would make John Doe run wouldn't appear in the dungeon, right?
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Even those wood puppet-like things that John Doe was mowing down, the current advance party seems like they couldn't even handle them
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The road ahead is ridiculously long
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Honestly, I'm not confident I can become as strong as John Doe.
I am trying hard, though
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That's an outlier. If you're aiming for something, America's top class is still more realistic
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But now that I can do magical energy control, I feel like I've gotten stronger
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Actually, I've gotten considerably stronger with magical energy control.
I was lower layer equivalent before, but now I can defeat a Dullahan solo
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But the John Doe who instantly kills that Dullahan has an opponent he runs from
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It's impossible after all
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Palm drill, maybe?
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Let me pour some oil on that for you
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No, but solo Dullahan is amazing, though?
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The advance party members who can now do magical energy control are probably that relaxed now, I guess
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John Doe, could you tell us a little about the strength of monsters per dungeon layer?
Even every ten layers is fine
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I'll ask him next time, I guess.
There's a huge difference between knowing and not knowing what strength to aim for
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John Doe has so many streamers now, I don't think he'll notice our comments that easily
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In the end, it means the advance party has no choice but to work hard, huh?
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Good luck, advance party! And I want to catch up!
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I'll leisurely earn money in the lower layers
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The fact that you went from leisurely in the upper layers to leisurely in the middle or lower layers is already amazing
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But dragons are (ry
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I'll go crazy from the infinite loop